Presbyterian web series features three veteran activists talking about protests present and past
by Rich Copley | Presbyterian News Service
LEXINGTON, Kentucky — Viisha P. Souza and Alan Kennedy were more than 1,000 miles apart last weekend, but had very similar experiences.
“This Friday, it was a little unnerving to know that we were peacefully protesting in front of the Hall of Justice in Louisville, Kentucky, and while we were there peacefully protesting, we were tear gassed by the police,” said Souza, a graduate of Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary.
Kennedy, who is based in Denver, recalled, “It was broad daylight, hours before curfew, in a peaceful march. In Denver, police opened fire with tear gas, flash grenades, pepper balls without provocation, while I was in a peaceful march.
“I asked the police, who showed up in full riot gear, ‘I’d like to speak to someone in charge,’ and they were silent. They did not answer. They did not give any warning. They did not give any notice that they were about to open fire on thousands of peaceful marchers. That’s really eye-opening for me.”
Kennedy, Souza, and Charlotte, North Carolina-based activist Markis Millberry were guests Monday afternoon on a special episode of “Just Talk Live: A Faith and Justice Talk Show” to discuss the weekend of protests that had erupted across the country late last week in the wake of the death of George Floyd at the hands of police officers in Minneapolis, as well as Breonna Taylor, who was shot and killed by police at her apartment in Louisville, Kentucky; and Ahmaud Arbery, who was allegedly killed by a former police detective and his son while jogging in Glynn County, Georgia. None of the victims were armed.
These killings and a long history of people who are black being killed at the hands of police brought one of the biggest weekends of nationwide mass protests in recent memory, with many engaging for the first time. That was part of the impetus for the special edition of the show, which was launched in March by Unbound, an online Christian social justice journal from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)’s Advisory Committee on Social Witness Policy. The series was originally called “Young Adult Gatherings.”
“Anybody who wants to engage or is encouraged to engage in civil unrest should know what they’re going down there for,” Souza said, “because it’s not always a pretty situation.”
Protest, all three pointed out, has a long history in the United States and has been important for creating change. Co-host Lee Catoe noted Monday was the first day of Pride Month, and that many of the advances in LGBTQIA+ rights were achieved through protest.
“Protest in general is part of progress,” Kennedy said. “There’s no progress without protest, without speaking up for our rights, speaking up for equality, speaking up for everyone who has been oppressed for so long and the systemic injustices that have been present.”
And change is long overdue in law enforcement, the speakers said, as evidenced by these recent incidents, which they called “murders.”
“The police brutality across this whole country needs to stop,” said Millberry, who calls for broad police reforms. “I’m tired of hearing how unarmed Americans are getting killed, every single day. The department of justice needs to step up, the White House needs to step up, and the police need to step up.
“I am peacefully protesting every single day in the Uptown Charlotte area, making sure we continue to demonstrate peacefully, and let our message be heard.”
Souza said that an important part of an effective protest is knowing who is in charge.
“Whenever we are engaged in civil disobedience, civil unrest, we must know who the leaders are,” she said. “Most of the time we can tell who they are … because you can actually tell if it’s disorganized. You will hear people say, ‘This is disorganized.’ ‘Who’s leading? What’s going on?’ You want to know who the leaders are, because you want to follow their lead.
“Not to create a hierarchy, but it’s to have some direction of where we’re going and what we’re doing, so that the disbursement doesn’t look unorganized.”
Souza said people interested in getting involved in protest can try to connect with organizations such as the local Black Lives Matter chapter to get direction, including essentials to prepare such as water, facemasks and goggles, and solution for the eyes in case tear gas is used. For white participants in the current actions, she said it is really important to follow directions from protest leaders, who may at some points ask white participants to stand back and at other times may ask them to help protect siblings of color. There have been several pictures this past weekend out of places such as Louisville of lines of white protesters forming barriers between police and black protesters.
Protests are not for everyone, all involved in the conversation said. Co-host Destini Hodges of PC(USA) Young Adult Volunteers acknowledged she did not participate in protests this weekend because she did not want to risk being exposed to the COVID-19 virus when she was preparing to go home to vote.
“Activism is something we all have to engage in, but that doesn’t mean you have to put your bodies on the line,” Souza said. “Don’t feel ashamed for not being down there with us. Supporting us however you can is what matters.”
Some of the methods of support she mentioned included contributing to bail funds for people who are arrested during protests, buying and delivering supplies to protesters, and simply being there for protesters.
“If you don’t want to engage in civil unrest, check on your black friends that are engaging in it,” said Souza, who identifies as Polynesian. “Make sure they have supplies, make sure you check on their mental health, even if it’s just, ‘Hey, how are you doing today?’ After their bodies have been on the line, check on your black friends, because they’re not OK.”
Participants said they were encouraged by the diversity they have seen in the crowds protesting and the youth.
“I’m tired of people that are 60 and 70 running this country,” Millberry said. “They still have a platform of the ’60s, during segregation. Our young people that are woke need to come together.”
The trio of guests saw things these past few days that have disturbed them, including police violence against peaceful protesters and journalists, and support for that violence from the highest authorities in the country.
“President Trump just tweeted out encouragement to the police and the military to shoot – to shoot – unarmed peaceful protesters,” Kennedy said. “That’s horrifying. Cornel West just said there’s a boot on the neck of American democracy, because democracy can’t flourish if the people are oppressed, if the people are prevented from protesting, if they are prevented from exercising their constitutional rights, our First Amendment rights. And I think we’ve seen countless violations of those rights in the last few days, and that’s not even including the murder of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, and many more before.”
Christians, Souza said, are called to stand up to oppression.
“It is our duty as the church to be available to our brothers and sisters,” she said. “That is why we are the church. Jesus was for the oppressed, so we must be for the oppressed too, whether it be black lives or brown lives or poor lives or whatever. But the point is right now, it’s black lives.
“And, as militant as it may sound,” she added, invoking late civil rights leader Malcolm X, “we must wrap our arms around them, by any means necessary.”
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Categories: Advocacy & Social Justice, Peace & Justice, Racial Justice
Tags: advisory committee on social witness policy, alan kennedy, destini hodges, just talk live: understanding protest, lee catoe, markis millberry, racial equity, unbound, viisha p. souza, young adult volunteers
Ministries: Compassion, Peace and Justice, Advisory Committee on Social Witness Policy (ACSWP)